Raymarine self compatibility

Daniel wrote:

> Five years ago I bought a radar Raymarine SL72 (Pathfinder Plus). Last
> year, as I wanted to have an integrated system, I bought a C120 display
> sure that the SL72 scanner would fit the display. Wrong! After several
> attempts and inquiries I discovered that my scanner was built 6 (six)
> months before Raymarine started making units compatible with the C
> series displays (June 2002 vs Dec 2002).
> Do you think that this is fair? Does anybody know whether Raymarine
> helps to solve unfortunate cases like mine?
> I'd like to add something more: before buying the C120 I checked some
> Raymarine docs and found that the new display would have been compatible
> with all scanner with a P.N. newer than a certain number. My scanner
> had indeed a P.N. GREATER than that and this is why I decided the buy,
> but... BUT I later realized that Raymarine is one of the few company in
> the world (as far as I know) that DOES NOT use an incremental P.N. but a
> quite odd system. Greater P.N. does not mean newer!
>
> Advice is kindly requested and welcome
>

I talked to the Raymarine service folks at U.S. toll free number on this
page http://tinyurl.com/cuyhk and they say that the scanner would have
to be sent in to a Raymarine service center to make it C120 compatible.
The work needed is to install a new IF board in the scanner and
upgrade the software. The full scanner is needed because the work
requires a level of calibration and testing that is only done at service
centers.

You should be able to get that done by the service center in England if
there is not one nearer to you than that.

If you want to exchange emails with the U.S. service center about
getting the work there, send me a personal email at jacker at midmaine
dot com and I can give you an email address for a technician at the
Raymarine service center in New Hampshire. He can give you a cost
estimate for having the repairs done here in the U.S.

I did not attempt to discuss the "fairness" of your situation with him,
although you do have my sympathy on the problem here. If you purchased
the C120 through a Raymarine dealer and with assurances of
compatibility, I would have expected your dealer to have worked the
problem for you.

Jack

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Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA - jackerbes at adelphia dot net
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine.com)
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Jack Erbes wrote:
>
> I talked to the Raymarine service folks at U.S. toll free number on this
> page http://tinyurl.com/cuyhk and they say that the scanner would have
> to be sent in to a Raymarine service center to make it C120 compatible.
> The work needed is to install a new IF board in the scanner and upgrade
> the software. The full scanner is needed because the work requires a
> level of calibration and testing that is only done at service centers.
>
> You should be able to get that done by the service center in England if
> there is not one nearer to you than that.
>
> If you want to exchange emails with the U.S. service center about
> getting the work there, send me a personal email at jacker at midmaine
> dot com and I can give you an email address for a technician at the
> Raymarine service center in New Hampshire. He can give you a cost
> estimate for having the repairs done here in the U.S.
>
> I did not attempt to discuss the "fairness" of your situation with him,
> although you do have my sympathy on the problem here. If you purchased
> the C120 through a Raymarine dealer and with assurances of
> compatibility, I would have expected your dealer to have worked the
> problem for you.
>
> Jack
>

Thank you Jack! This is the first good news I receive: all the Raymarine
dealers I contacted up to now told me that buying a new scanner was the
only possibility.
I bought all Raymarine products through official dealers/retailers but,
in my presumption of understanding what I had read on the manuals - I
admit - I never asked for assurances of compatibility.
After what you say, I will get in touch with the headquarters of
Raymarine here in Italy (or in England) and see if we can arrange a
retrofit for a price lower than that of a new unit.
The cost estimate for the repairs in the U.S. could be a useful
comparison but sending the system there would not be very convenient I
guess

Thank you again, I appreciate your help

Daniel
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Daniel wrote in
@twister2.libero.it:

> all the Raymarine
> dealers I contacted up to now told me that buying a new scanner was the
> only possibility.
>

What you really need is a new FURUNO scanner and display. Commercial boats
don't run Furuno because they like the color...(c;
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Larry wrote:

> Daniel, if your scanner has a round dome, take the dome off and inspect
> it. We're on our 3rd...or is it 4th, I forget....
>
> The water vapor the stupid dome breathes in...<snip>

This is about the 94th time we have heard Larry's rant about Raymarine
radar scanners on this newsgroup. I have this boilerplate post in my
draft folders simply to bring some sense of objectivity to this every
time it comes up again.

Somehow, when I replied to Daniel's question, I had a hunch it would
come to this. So here's my side of the story:

In defense of Raymarine equipment, I have looked at and bought and sold
a large number of Raymarine radars that had been installed for anywhere
from 2-3 to up to 6 or 8 years. And I have yet to see a single one that
had anything more that light surface oxidation/minor salt air corrosion
on the aluminum plates and covers and some minor surface rust on the
magnetron core. Without a single exception, the PCB's and the rotating
antenna (much like a PCB) showed *NO* evidence of corrosion.

Let me guess, you installed all three of your "destroyed" systems
yourself...

If those were corroded as you described, I'm almost willing to bet that
it was because you sealed the vents and/or somehow managed to lead water
into your radar housings with an improper cable run and poorly sealed
cable entry.

Jack

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Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA - jackerbes at adelphia dot net
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine.com)
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Jack Erbes wrote in


> This is about the 94th time we have heard Larry's rant about Raymarine
> radar scanners on this newsgroup. I have this boilerplate post in my
> draft folders simply to bring some sense of objectivity to this every
> time it comes up again.
>
>

So, why do you read it? Are you a dealer, too?....

If I asked a question about my Freddy Widget and someone else on the
newsgroup had one that knew it was a POS, I'd certainly want them to tell
me their experience with it. Just because YOU heard it before, he may not
have been here.

Of course, if you're CONNECTED to the Raymarine line, you'd want to shut up
any dissenting observations that my trash sales, eh?

Why are you two defending a defective product?
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Larry wrote:

> So, why do you read it? Are you a dealer, too?....
>

No Larry, I'm just an honest and objective person trying to add some
balance to your nitterings.

> If I asked a question about my Freddy Widget and someone else on the
> newsgroup had one that knew it was a POS, I'd certainly want them to tell
> me their experience with it. Just because YOU heard it before, he may not
> have been here.

And if you read that is was a POS, and were sure it was not a POS, you
would say something to give the conversation some balance wouldn't you?

> Of course, if you're CONNECTED to the Raymarine line, you'd want to shut up
> any dissenting observations that my trash sales, eh?

Nope, not me. If I thought the product was bad, I'd say that. If I
thought it was okay or good I'd say that too. In fact I just did.

> Why are you two defending a defective product?

I'm not defending anything, the condition those are routinely found in
speaks for inaccuracy of your allegations.

Come on up here, I can show you 150-200 yachts in winter storage, at
least half of which will have Raymarine scanners on them. Bring a
pocket full of $100 bills with you and we'll start popping covers off of
scanners (the sail boats with the masts off will be the easy ones to
start with). I'll give you a $100 bill for everyone we find in the
condition you describe and you'll give me $100 for everyone that is not
in that condition. And you'll go home broke.

You really bring a lot of discredit to yourself with your irrational
nitterings about those scanners. It is simply not true.

Jack

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Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA - jackerbes at adelphia dot net
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine.com)
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John Proctor wrote in
lost@nowhereorg:

> It all comes down to the competance of the installer,
> enough said!
>

Hdmm....lessee....
Mount radome with 4 bolts to radar mount where last one that failed came
off, grease bolts to prevent seizing then sealing bolt holes as best you
can to keep stainless bolts from eating away pot metal threaded holes from
salt air electrolysis...
Install rubber tit drain in plastic box....
Feed cheap plastic molex plug through cheap plastic stuffing tube and
tighten on plastic cable...
Plug cheap plastic molex plug into pins sticking out of exposed PC board
through open slot in pot metal chassis box....
Put flimsy plastic top in little groove with little rubber seal and tighten
only 4 bolts holding it all on that don't seal well.

What did I miss you professional plug swappers wouldn't? Installing this
radome is simpler than putting a stereo in the boat....only one cable....
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On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:43:44 -0500, Jack Erbes
wrote:

>I'm just an honest and objective person trying to add some
>balance to your nitterings.

Larry wants balance added to his nitterings about as much as you'd
like a box of thumbtacks strewn across your bathroom floor.

Larry is all about nitterings and is not easily confused by the facts.

That said, I love my new Furuno. On the the other hand, my 24 year
old Raytheon is still chugging along also, and the 22 year old
Raytheon on our old boat was doing just fine as well.
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> > I sell and install raymarine and FURUNO and I have to say the quality
> > of both are comparable. I too have many old Raymarine radars installed
> > and they generally are in no worse condition than the quivalent FURUNO
> > scanners I see. It all comes down to the competance of the installer,
> > enough said!
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > John D Proctor
> >
> After 20+ years selling and installing at least 7 brands of radars
that
> I can think of, (and servicing several other brands), I itch to jump in
> here, but my skin is too thin to be flamed by those who just enjoy the
> scuffle!
> Old Chief Lynn
>
After tooting my own whistle (above) I had to try to come up with the 7
brands of radars I sold. I found the names of 13 brands I sold, installed
and serviced, along with 17 additional brands that I serviced that I did not
sell.
I'm quite sure this is of great interest to the group.
Now, who is Raymarine? We sold and serviced Raytheon for many years,
and JRC for a while. Is Raymarine related to those older names?
Old Chief Lynn (still tooting horn)
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"Lynn Coffelt" wrote in message

> After tooting my own whistle (above) I had to try to come up with the
7
> brands of radars I sold. I found the names of 13 brands I sold, installed
> and serviced, along with 17 additional brands that I serviced that I did
not
> sell.
> I'm quite sure this is of great interest to the group.
> Now, who is Raymarine? We sold and serviced Raytheon for many years,
> and JRC for a while. Is Raymarine related to those older names?
> Old Chief Lynn (still tooting horn)

Yes, Raymarine was emerged from Raytheon.

Meindert
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John Proctor wrote:

> On the issue of your scanner compatibility:
>
> 1. The C User's manual has information regarding serial numbers which
> are compatible, non-compatible or need upodates.
> 2. The C user's manual is available online from the Raymarine web site.
> 3. What ever happened to caveat emptor?
>
> If you verified compatibility with a Raymarine dealer and he said it was
> ok then you have a grievance with that dealer. Otherwise I'm sorry but
> the information was available for making a correct decision. You must
> therefore accept responsibility for your dilemma.
>
> If we want compatibility for everything that has been manufactured in
> the past boy we will not progress too fast. BTW Furuno has the same
> probnlem with older scanners not working with their new NavNet dispalays
> as well so Raymarine is not alone.
>
> From someone who sells and installs this stuff.
>

Wow... I did not mean to start such a big flame and fuss...
To Larry: in Italy we used to say that if you got a Fiat assembled on
Monday you were in trouble. When was your last Raymarine radome built?
Mine was built on a Friday: it works well but is not compatible with
something that was built the next Monday

To John: I already wrote that I accept responsibility for my dilemma.
Namely at first sight I misunderstood the odd way of "part numbering"
assumed by Raymarine and when I understood it, it was too late. Still I
think that this "non-compatibility" issue comes out too often and should
be dealt more fairly by the manufacturers... IMHO

Daniel
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"Lynn Coffelt" wrote in
@domitilla.aioe.org:

> Now, who is Raymarine? We sold and serviced Raytheon for many years,
> and JRC for a while. Is Raymarine related to those older names?
> Old Chief Lynn (still tooting horn)
>
>

Raymarine is an English company who has nothing to do with Raytheon, who
made great radars, both domestic and military.
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"Larry" wrote in message

> "Lynn Coffelt" wrote in
> @domitilla.aioe.org:
>
> > Now, who is Raymarine? We sold and serviced Raytheon for many
years,
> > and JRC for a while. Is Raymarine related to those older names?
> > Old Chief Lynn (still tooting horn)
> >
> >
>
> Raymarine is an English company who has nothing to do with Raytheon, who
> made great radars, both domestic and military.

Raymarine has everything to do with Raytheon:
http://www.raymarine.com/raymarine/Default.asp?site=1&Section=1&Page=9...Parent=

Meindert
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